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By khalid on August 10, 2007 11:59 am
Posted in (Blogging, Business)

I received a mixed response when I posted on this blog and couple of online forums that we are looking to hire some freelance bloggers. The main point of contention was the rate we should pay for blogging. My post mentioned that our starting rate is $15 per post. Some people applied right away. Others mentioned that rate was too low. Some even thought it was insulting. Since I continue to receive emails about this until now, I wanted to clarify a couple of things.

How much a blogger gets paid depends on the value he/she brings to the client

The bottom line is what matters to every business. So let’s start talking about financial value a blog brings to a business. Most marketing activities are evaluated with a simple question: What is the return on investment for that particular activity. The same applies to blogging. Of course that is very challenging. It is difficult to draw a clear correlation between blogging activity and actual money coming to a business. That is the main reasons clients are hesitant to pay higher rates for bloggers. Yes, there are some sites that can evaluate ad-sense revenue generated on a particular day when a freelancer is blogging. But the clients I am talking about are regular businesses that do not run any type of advertising on their site. One of the things I spend a bit of time working out with clients is performance measurements. Many clients do not have a good way to measure the performance of the blog in the first place.

The real value to blogging is increasing brand awareness and establishing online community. They are extremely valuable, but it is difficult to put a real monetary value for them. Many clients do not see a value in blogging until a couple of months passed and the blog is generating repeat traffic. After the client gets a feel of how the blog can help his business in building an online community, then we sit again to talk about rates.

That is one of the main reasons most of our blogging contracts do not run more than 2 months. In this model, as the client sees real benefits from the blog and starts to experience an up word swing in readership, our fees and the rates we pay our bloggers start to increase accordingly. I believe that model works to everyones benefit.

How much a blogger should get paid depends on experience

Just like any other type of work. An established blogger can demand a lot more than someone who is just starting out. That does not mean that the new blogger does not write as well. As a matter of fact, sometimes I think a new blogger can produce better content than an established blogger. But in case of experience, the client is also paying for the name recognition of the blogger. He is also hoping to attract some of the loyal following of that blogger to his own blog. Chris Garrett or Muhammad Saleem can both demand and both deserve as much as they like per post.

Social media is a new element in the mix

 This is something that we just added recently to the way we charge our clients for blogging as well as how much we pay our writers. Everyone understands the value of making it on the first page of digg or Netscape. Some clients received close to 50k visitors in one week after getting on the first page of digg. The also had close to 200 link backs. That is a great value from a single blog entry. We invest a lot of time helping our writers improve their skills to attract readership from social media sites. That does not mean that every piece we produce is written for social media.

With social media, it is an easy argument for me to make to the client. You can see the value of visitors. You can see the value from link backs. As a result, we try to pay our bloggers between $50 - $100 if their piece gets on the first page of a social media site. I must admit that many clients have been resisting that. They want to pay for the post and do whatever they like with it.  

Technical vs. non-technical topic.

This is another major factor in determining the rate for a blog. Writing a post about c++ code, or medical post involves a lot more research, time and effort. It is only fair that technical writing gets paid more than regular blogs.

But I can write it myself…for free!

Please go ahead! Maybe I should not be saying that to a client. But if someone does not a real value in hiring an expert blogger, then the best way is show them the value to tell them try it out themselves. Some will actually be good at it. Most, frankly, will stink and come back to us to talk.

The marketplace

The truth is that there are too many bloggers who are happy to offer their services for so little that it affects everyone else. That will always be the case. Let me use my software background for example. You can find a Java programmer for $15 an hour. If you want to talk to me, you have to be ready to pay more than $80 per hour. I guess the moral of the story is that you need to establish your name and your experience and let the market take care of itself.

Now, if you do want to freelance blogging, then I definitely recommend reading Chris’s piece on the secrets of freelance blogging.

 So tell me what do you think.

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34 Responses to “ How much should you pay for a freelance blogger”

 
Ayat Says -- August 10th, 2007 at 12:17 pm

The problem is that most people would like to over qualify themselves when it comes to blogging or any form of writing. It’s so difficult to determine (unless you’ve directly worked with the writer) what value they will truly bring to your site.

This is a very similar conversation we’ve had about copywriters and how much they should get paid. It seems whenever writing is involved, everyone puts a whatever price tag they feel fitting; and I don’t know that there are rules that determine why one blogger’s price tag is higher than the other.

It’s obviously a very personal decision, because although you may be the worst blogger on the face of the earth, you may still feel that you deserve $50 per post.

 
Matthew Says -- August 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

depending on the length i think that is very fair

I have been searching freelance jobs, and some people pay 3-5$ for articles that are 300-500 words.

 
Dave Novakovic Says -- August 10th, 2007 at 6:48 pm

It could be considered a bit naive to offer less money to people who are really experienced bloogers, but at the same time some people have inflated valuations of their own work.

The really good writers often know they are good, but may not realise just how good. I would offer more money to people I know are worth it, since they probably bring in more value relative to what you are paying.

I’ve never really looked at who writes particular blog posts if it’s a blog where several people contribute. I guess I’d place a higher value on people who have contributed to other well known blogs.

 
khalid Says -- August 11th, 2007 at 12:47 am

Ayat, I initially try to evaluate writers based on the samples they send in. But I learned that many times that you can not judge a writer until he starts working with you. Whenever we find a good writer, we will do all we can to keep them happy.

 
khalid Says -- August 11th, 2007 at 12:48 am

Matthew,

$3 to $5 is just way too low. Only writers whom English is not their first langauge or those who do not live in North America will accept such low rates.

 
khalid Says -- August 11th, 2007 at 12:52 am

Dave,

Too many people think they are God’s gift to writing; few are. For the larger blogs we handle, I approach writers I like and ask them if they would be interested in writing for us. That way I am sure I am getting someone whom I trust and enjoy their writing.

 
Ed Sutherland Says -- August 12th, 2007 at 11:34 am

Khalid,

Employers are often in a difficult spot when determining how much to pay writers. Experience is the only tried-and-true method. Editors often maintain a short list of writers they notice, in cases where they need to fill an opening.

 
khalid Says -- August 13th, 2007 at 7:19 am

Ed,

I agree with you. Finding good writers is probably one of the biggest challenges we face.

 
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Bob Says -- August 17th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

This is a great article and a great topic as I am in the market for some marketing help with a few products we would like to promote in fine jewelry arena.

I have been advised to start blogging to help kick off some of our limited production designs

but, as a small and literal mom and pop shop who mainly deals in fine custom jewelry walking into this immense world of the internet is a daunting.

and not, not having much xpperience or comfort level with self promotion I have been looking for a Blogging project manager… just one person or company who an handle a blogging project…

wondering how i can pay for a real genuine professional to help us with this task is what directed me to this article.

So, to make a long story short and get directly to the point… but your article doesn’t mention what seems to be the obvious and that is a comissioned agent.

seems like the best of both worlds doesn’t it? everybody wins?

anyway, if you have any thoughts, i’d sure be interested in hearing them or, if you are looking for a very profitable project, I await your advice..

thank you

 
khalid Says -- August 21st, 2007 at 12:25 am

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the insightful comments. I am guessing that a commissioned agent means the blogger will make money based on commission based on a preset criteria. This is an excellent model however many clients and bloggers do not like to use it. Most freelance bloggers want to write a piece and get paid for it, end of story. To base the pay on commission means the freelancer will have to take on some sort of blog marketing as well beside the writing aspect. That is requires more time commitment from the blogger. What do you think? Also, what kind of goals do you think a freelance blogger should achieve in that kind of arrangement?

 
Bob Says -- August 21st, 2007 at 4:50 pm

Yes Khalid, a commissioned structure would indeed require much more commitment from the blogger… as it should. It would require the blogger to become familiar with the business or product they are writing about and some faith and confidence in their own abilities and skills…. a test of their skills perhaps… a challenge.

As a Mom and pop operation, it is all about commitment and building lifelong relationships… We are still doing business with our first customer from 32 years ago… cost to get that customer was nil and the cost to retain them was just 32 years of commitment. Time to write a successful or effective blog or design a workable campaign? (i don’t know) but the rewards, in addition to financial could be far greater than the “write it and take your fee” approach… in my estimation…

The “affiliate” people (from what i see) only work on commission…regardless of their level of marketing… passive or aggressive, if they make a sale from any of their efforts, they get paid

And I am asking myself… Wouldn’t it be reasonable that a blogger/ad guy/marketing partner, combine the affiliate model with their blogging model? and I think it would. (be reasonable). Anyway, i have a computer guy working on that phase and after 14 months, it’s almost complete. And yes, he is getting paid the same way… results first, than reward. (and a handsome reward if it works)

I’m too new at blogging to assume i know the motives of bloggers but, seems to me, the ones who have the truest entrepreneurial spirit will recognize and seek out these new opportunities and… seize them. But again, i think it depends on the individual’s motive and motivation. Are they truly inspired to take their fee and go to the next gig?

Maybe… and that guy probably shouldn’t apply:)

Your thoughts?

 
Khalid Says -- August 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 am

Bob,

I think you present an intriguing proposition. Many starting bloggers will shy away from that kind of a model because they are looking for a quick way to make money. But I do not think that is the kind of person you are looking for.

I find it a lot easier to combine a commissioned structure with some up front pay so that the blogger will have some sort of income while the project is going on. The other challenge is how do you determine the success of a blog? is it going to be based on the number of RSS subscribers? or is it based on the amount of money the blog is generating? I am looking forward to hearing what you can tell us.

 
Ed Says -- August 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 am

Just to interject some words as a journalist who has been on the other side of negotiations with media buyers. While I recognize the demands of bloggers include a somewhat different skill-set there are some similarities.

As a writer, my chief concern is maintaining an authoritative grasp on my subject area and conveying that information in a way which attracts readers. Period. When I’m writing, I’m not concerned whether the owner’s stock tanked or whether my writing attracts or repels advertisers. The first I have no control over and the later could or couldn’t be a byproduct of my writing. However, my paycheck shouldn’t be dependent on whether the publisher lost or gained advertisers.

 
Bob Says -- August 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 am

Yes Ed, A journalist shouldn’t lost their objectivity nor should their pay be based on product marketing.

Kahlid, in order to determinee the success of the blogger, this person could have an exclusive contract to handle all sales and marketing for a particular product or product line or, it could be set up under a simple affiliate tracking system. The blogger would simply use a specified link that is assigned to them and every hit/sale that goes to that link is accredited to them.

the particular details can always be worked out if the concept is sound.

for the big company, “how much you should pay for a free lance blogger” is a good question… but for the little guy, my question is how much “can” we pay? or better yet, “how” can we pay it?

Of course we cannot afford professional representation for our products but still, we need professional representation… what can i do? $50 or $100 or $500 dollars isn’t going to buy us professional marketing… So the only other choice is to make this professional a deal they can’t refuse.

the little guy can’t just throw money at a problem, they actually have to figure it out and solve it. most often with little or no money…

 
Jim Turner Says -- August 27th, 2007 at 8:46 pm

A great article Kahlid and a question I’m asked way too often. We have a large staff of bloggers in all fields of writing from small businesses to large. We pay top dollar, but tjhis keeps us from some of the available leads.

We do handle small budgets Bob and what you propose is not out of line. I would be happy to answer this question over and over again. My response?

It depends a lot on what Kahlid discusses above, but as much as I possible can and pay the bills.

 
Bob Says -- August 29th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

Hello jim

Sorry for not getting back to you but i thought i’d take a couple of days and actually try my hand at writing a blog. a week ago i didn’t even know what a blog was and today i have 2 blog sites!

ANyway, I’d like to discuss with both you and kahlid a little more in depth my ideas and also include Our project manager and resident computer genius nathan and his ideas (can he technically make it work?)as well of course as your ideas…

But i’m not sure this is the best forum for that? any thoughts on creating this meeting of the minds?

 
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Samuel Crawford Says -- October 22nd, 2007 at 4:23 pm

Greetings, I appreciate this blog for many reasons; one I am a Christian blogger and trying to get started. I am reading all I can and found this to be helpful in expecting what prices are exceptable and which are above or below skill levels. I may be green in experiance, yet I have also learned to let the writing speak for itself. I just wanted to thank you for being a help to us, that are trying to get started doing what we love…write! Thanks and be blessed! Samuel…The Worshiper!

 
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Bourse Goldman Says -- November 20th, 2007 at 10:15 am

Based on my own experience, I’d say that how much a writer gets paid depends mainly on your first point - “on the value he/she brings to the client”.
I have been on both sides. In the beginning of my career I have written articles as a freelancer and now I develop websites hiring people to write for me.
So as a writer I demanded fair payment according to what was considered normal at the time. Currently, as a client I pay both 5$ an article and 50$ an article based mainly on the profit I estimate to get from that article. I don’t take into account the writers experience (what if they are not experienced but have the talent and/or the knowledge?). I always test them first, and that’s how I decide to hire someone to write for me. I find that to be the best practice for my needs.
I like working longterm with people. You say that a contract doesn’t last more than 2 months but that is not true in all of the cases. I have people writing for me for more than a year and I’ve had people who have stayed only for a few articles. So it all depends on whether I will find the right person for my needs and whether s/he will be happy with my terms.

 
Samuel Says -- November 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pm

Greetings!!! I am glad I came across this site and also the conversation that has been dialoged for quite some time now. I am a “new” blogger, looking to do more and really have only written for personal blogs on myspace and word press, a Christian magazine I am trying to start and also for a college in Washington dc. I have been browsing the web for helps, sites, experience shared and well anything else God lets me come across. This has been encouraging, especially reading some of the comments especially the latest about experience is not always what justifies the pay, but the gift or the talent of the writer. I want to thank you all and I pray you all have a very Blessed thanksgiving!!! Be blessed. Samuel The Worshiper.

 
Army Kate Says -- November 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 am

Hmm, simple, I wouldn’t. The internet should be based on non-profit principles.

 
Ed Sutherland Says -- November 23rd, 2007 at 8:53 am

The Internet was built to assist Defense Department researchers to easily stay in contact? Does this mean Internet content should remain DoD-focused? Of course not. The Internet blossomed - and is supported - by commercial activity. Like all other inventions, the Internet has grown beyond what its creators foresaw.

 
Gabrielle Says -- March 6th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Does anyone here have a standard legal contract for hiring bloggers that they can send me?
Thx much!

 
al rosero Says -- March 11th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

dave,
i could be your good sub-blogger.need help from you

 
 
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